NOTES TO ACCOMPANY Ida-Rose_L_Hall_oral_history MP3-CD To have a reference for file names for an MP3 CD player, print the “file file_list.txt” and keep it with the CD. All known cassette tapes pertaining to Ida-Rose and her family history interviews with Langford & Chlarson relatives were digitized in early 2008 by H. Tracy Hall, Jr., 9090 Meadow Dr., Provo Canyon; Provo, Utah 84604, 801-224-7441, hthalljr@gmail.com Five cassettes containing her dictation of various court records have not yet been digitized. Most of the recordings dated before 1970 were copied to cassette by IRLH or H Tracy Hall Sr from earlier reels. The original WAV files and the MP3 files that were derived therefrom are stored on an black, book-shaped external Western Digital "My Book" USB hard drive named "HTHallJR02, which is kept at my home. A backup of these files is stored on a hard drive at the home of David Richard Hall, Provo, Utah, 901-358-0789. After I have finished the digitization, I recommend that the many cassette tapes in my possession be stored either with Ida-Rose's genealogy, of which David now has custody, or in the locked storage room in the basement at 1711 N. Lamber Lane, where I have seen a number of the old reel-to-reel recordings. I will complete an inventory of the tapes and attach new systematic labels to the cassettes themselves in such a manner that they any handwriting of our parents is not obscured. Most newer DVD players and MP3 CD players will play these CDs, but the MP3_CD will only show the sequential track numbers 001, 002, 003, etc. Thus, although the original files names sort chronologically without any prefix, they were prefixed in a duplicate folder with a sequential "track" number 01_, 02_, etc. prior to burning the master CD. The original WAV files also do not have the sequential prefix. The MP3 file tags that will display in some MP3 players differ somewhat from the file names -- I did not bother to redo them. Most were encoded as stereo MP3 files, but a few were saved as mono, which took several extra steps, until I discovered that the "stereo" files were no larger than the mono files. MP3 encoding appears to make efficient comparison of the two stereo tracks. The original WAV files and the MP3 files derived therefrom have the same file names, except for the extensions *.MP3 and *.WAV CD CONTENTS (I did not monitor all the recordings throughout the digitization process and have notes only for a few, nor have I transcribed all the cassette labels.) = = = * 01_1959-06-28_s1_Zina_Charlotte_Chlarson_Langford_intrvwd_by_dau_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_Ogden_61min.mp3 The cassettes are "Tracs Plus" brand, 60 minutes on each side. The date is not on this tape, but a two-hour tape of the same brand which continues this interview with Charlotte and then Ernest has the date. Confirming the approximate date, Ida-Rose refers on the tape to her daughter Nancy as a "toddler." Nancy was born April 1, 1958 and would have been 14 months old -- just barely walking. Also, H. Tracy Hall, Sr's voice is heard asking about diapers. Side 1 cassette label: "Tape #1 A Int. Charlotte Langford whole side choice reminiscences.” I believe that "whole side" refers to a whole one-hour reel, from which this was copied at a later date: Cassette tapes did not become available until the early 1970's. Mom did interviews with her parents and her mother's brothers Lew and John Chlarson two years later, on Aug 7, 1961. However, this interview has much better original sound and / or transfer from reel-to-reel to cassette than the later interview. * 02_1959-06-28_s2_Zina_Charlotte_Chlarson_Langford_intrvwd_by_dau_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_Ogden_61min.mp3 Side 2 label is: “B cont of Same interview as A.” * 03_1959-06-28_s3_Zina_Charlotte_Chlarson_Ernest_F_Langford@14min_by_Ida-Rose_L_Hall_Ogden_60min.mp3 Side 3 is on the 2nd tape that was labeled on the cassette: “Tape #2 A -end of int. of Ch. Langford Begin of Int of E.F. Langford” [Interview with Ernest begins 14 minutes into Side 3.] * 04_1959-06-28_s4_Ernest_Fountain_Langford_intrvwd_by_dau_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall+Annis_Ogden_60min.mp3 Side 4 is from tape 2, 60 min side B which is labelled, directly on the Cassette: “B - Mostly cont. of E. F. Langford Last few min start of int with Annis Langford” Jewel case that protected the cassette is labelled: “Tape 2 Side 1, cont of Charlotte Z [sic] Chlarson Langford. [Mom frequently made the mistake of referring to her mother as Charlotte Zina instead of Zina Charlotte.] Begin of Interview taken June 28, 1959 [hthjr: from a perpetual calendar, this was a Sunday] at 3292 Orchard Ave Ogden, Utah of Ernest Fountain Langford.” [jewel case label side 2] “All of E. F. Langford but a few ft. Beg of Inter. with Annis Langford” * 05_1959-06-28_s5_Annis_Jackson_Langford_intrvwd_by_niece_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_Ogden_60min.mp3 Side 5 is from "Tracs Plus" 120 min 60 min each side cassette tape labeled: “Tape 3 A Aunt Annis Int.” I am not certain that the interview with Annis was on the same date, 2008-06-28, as the interviews with Charlotte, (A reference to EF returning from Stake Conference indicates that this was also done on a Sunday, and probably the same Sunday as the interview for Charlotte.) A pet canary can be heard chirping in the background of all the interviews, so they were definitely all held at the home of E.F. and Charlotte Langford, and probably on the same day. * 06_1959-06-28_s6_Annis_Jackson_Langford_intrvwd_by_niece_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_Ogden_24min.mp3 Side 6 is from other side, labeled: “B Half way through int with Dad Hall & Dad Langford Cont on tape 4-A” - The interview with Annis ended at 23 minutes 54 seconds. Ida-Rose then copied, to the same cassette, a later interview, from a reel-to-reel tape recording on Thanksgiving Day, Nov 23, 1967. To keep the files separate, I moved the later interview to a new file dated 1967-11-23. = = = * 07_1960-09-08_s1_Bob_Langford_&_Indiana_cousins_intrvwd_by_Ida-Rose_L_Hall_31min_32kbps.mp3 This mp3 was sampled at 32 kbps so as to fit it in remaining space on MP3 CD. There is some noticeable tinny-sounding artifact. (This gives have the file size: unless so labeled, the other MP3 files on the CD were sampled at 64 kbps -- same sampling rate as original WAV file.) 60 min cassette. No label on Cassette: Label inside Jewel case reads, in pencil, in Ida-Rose's hand: "Side 1- Sept 8, 1960 Terre Haute Ind- Bob Langford, Sadie Bay, Ines C. Boone, Ida R & Tracy Hall, + Clara Langford - also tape for an Int with Sadie Bay & Minnie - Sept 8, also. note: Only 1/2 of one Side this other tape" Digitized 2008-04-30. Intro ___ 16th 1983 Ida-Rose transferring from reel-to-reel to cassette. Side 2 of this is Robert Langford alone. IRLH makes some comments over sound of original as she copies it by playing loudspeaker of reel recorder into microphone of cassette recorder. Home is by a busy highway -- much highway noise and occasional sirens. Side 2 is Robert Langfor d alone. John is the youngest son of Walker's family. John Harvey: the Harvey comes from his Uncle. John is frequent family name. No memory of where Walker Sr. and wife Mary Warner were buried. Once was old country graveyard toward old Coal [?] city. IRLH: Larkin was buried on his own land, but his body was moved. Walker Sr. was illiterate, digned all papers with X. Walker's wife's name never appeared on legal papers. According to law widow had right to man's property. I wrote back to clerk and asked if they had a file for Walker Langford or Mary / Polly Langford. Courthouse fire occurred in 1848. Irene got hold of a letter that he died 1847 before fire, so his will may have gone up in smoke. IRLH wrote back that there may be some old records that survived fire -- clerk never wrote back. She thinks the old records are stashed someplace. Bob looked for old records, was referred to a doctor, referred to a storage place that was closed. IRLH: Walker Jr bought most of land that was left. Other females don't identify themselves on tape. Bob: all children got an inheritance from Walker Sr. Fielding was in West & couldn't come back & asked a sibling to sell his portion to Walker Jr. 11 min: speaking of Joseph Langford who also lives in Terre Haute but didn't reply to Mom's letter. Bob tells of relative who is 81, looks like a rag-picker, worth $250,000. 13 min: Bob says there is some Scotch in the family. They called it Irish, but it was Scotch. He said English Langfords spelled with g, but Irish spelled with K. IRLH: spelling depended on the recorder, because he didn't write. Female: Most of Langfords are English. 15 min: IRLH: Walker Langford's father came from England to Carolina but nobody knows his name. IRLH: we have bond for marriage of Walker Sr. & Mary / Polly Warren. Consent given by Charles Warren. Couldn't find her Warren ancestors. 16 min: discussion of living relatives 19 min: IRLH: Trying to write book with all descendants of Walker Langford. 22: still living relatives, female voice is Clara. 23:20 38 years ago we were in Oklahoma. Changed trains Kansas City. Confusion over train's destination 25: refers to someone asking her, "You're not Clara, are you?" 26:16 silence: IRLH says in 1983: "side 2 of that same tape." 26:60 she must have had original reel tape on play instead of record -- rest of conversation missed. 27: IRLH intro '83: Minnie and Sadie also Robert Langford, Robert picked up at different time. 28: discussion of photos, two female voices. 29: IRLH asks to borrow to copy, promises to return by registered mail. 29:50 Tracy Sr asks where they fit in family. 30: this Church is a grandson of Walker Langford. They write names on back. 30: one female refers to other as Minnie -- could help identify voices. 31:40 end of side A of cassette * 08_1960-09-08_s2_Bob_Langford_&_Indiana_cousins_intrvwd_by_Ida-Rose_L_Hall_19min_32kbps.mp3 SIDE B of cassette: For cassette label see above. Continued discussion of relatives in photo, as they label it on the back side. IRLH asked to borrow this to copy it. (It's probably in her book on progenitors and descendants.) 4:46 Sadie calls other Minnie, for help discerning voices. 6:30 Bob [?] speaks in background over voices of women. 8:20 Minnie Church born 1877 ____ Oct IRLH: father was Jessie Evans, Mother was Francis Isabelle ______ married 1900 Terre Haute 10:00 her husband John Frederick Church. born Aug 9 1873 in ____ county, near ______, died Sep 6 gone 14 years died Terre Haute bur here 11: buried Island [Highland?] Lawn Cemetery bur Sep 9. His father Allen Church, mother Emily Badders filling in family group sheet 14: still filling out group sheet on Minnie's family. 15 min +: did not monitor rest of tape. 19 min 29 sec click recorder off, IRLH voice in 1983 saying "Hello." She may have failed to copy the rest of the reel. Remainder of cassette side B is empty. = = = * 09_1961-08-07_s01_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_intrvwng_her_father_mother_and_Lew_and_John_Chlarson_31min.mp3 Side A label is: "Tape #1 A [blue ink] Int. Charlotte Langford whole side choice reminiscences.” [red ink] I believe that "whole side" refers to a whole one-hour reel, from which this was copied at a later date. Ida-Rose refers to her daughter Nancy as a "toddler. Nancy was born April 1, 1958. Side B label is: “B cont of Same interview as A.” * 10_1961-08-07_s02_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_intrvwng_her_father_mother_and_Lew_and_John_Chlarson_31min.mp3 * 11_1961-08-07_s03_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_intrvwng_her_father_mother_and_Lew_and_John_Chlarson_31min.mp3 These cassettes were transcribed by Ida-Rose from earlier reel-to-reel tapes and are labeled in a confusing manner. I don't know if I have them in proper order -- it will take me some time to figure this out. Also, there are some duplicates of these tapes, and I'm not sure which were the originals. I'm assuming those in Jewel cases are originals. The interview was at the home of Tracy & Ida-Rose, 1711 N.Lambert Ln., Provo, Utah. Lew and John had traveled from Arizona to visit Charlotte. The original reel-to-reel recording of Aug 7 1961 was copied by Ida-Rose to Cassette in November 1983. It's clear from the clicks, machine noise, and background noise, that she was simply playing the loudspeaker of the Wollensak reel-to-reel recorder into the micropohone of the cassette recorder. In the future, a direct connection between from the reel-to-reel player to the computer could probably make a much better copy. * 12_1961-08-07_s04_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_intrvws_her_father_mother_and_Lew_and_John_Chlarson_9min.mp3 There is only 8 minutes on the first side of the cassette tape, and part of the early part of the cassette (from about 43 sec to 82 sec) was accidentally taped ) over by Tracy Sr, probably rather recently. Ida-Rose writes (?) says on tape (?) that this is from the second side of the reel. The first 8 minutes is with Ernest F. Langford about Oaxaca Mexico. The next 1 min 40 sec is either Lew or John Chlarson, taken from the first part of another cassette. = = = * 13_1966-06_s01_Albert Chlarson_son_of_Hans_Nadrian_Chlarson_intrvwd_by_Ida-Rose_L_Hall_Phoenix_31min.mp3 Copied to cassette from earlier reel-to-reel by Ida-Rose. In Ida-Rose's handwriting, pencil, side A label reads: "#8 both sides - Interview with Al Chlarson, Phoenix 1966" The first 1 min 40 sec of side A of this cassette appear to be the last part of the 1961-08-07 reel of Charlotte, Lew, and John Chlarson. I added it to side 4 of that series, above, but kept it here for context. Ida-Rose in making the copy forgets his name and calls him "only descendant" of Hans Nadrian Chlarson -- he was his only surviving CHILD. Ida-Rose asks how he met and married his wives. Story was he met immigrant wagon trains and they would take Swedish women who were alone into their home to help them. Johanna supported Hans Nadrian in polygamy. Tells story of postmaster who withheld HN's letters to Johanna while he was in the army [Civil War]. HN wanted to kill the postmaster when he found out. Albert discusses the five wives of Hans Nadrian Chlarson. The 1st polygamous wife [second wife] was the mother of my ancestor Johanne Charlotte Scherlen. It was just a "celestial" marriage, to give her a sealing. Ida-Rose puts as an aside, that Hans Nadrian did marry Johanna's mother in "celestial polygamy." 2nd polygamous marriage was a younger "no good woman," a Swedish girl. 3rd polygamous marriage was "aunt Annie," Blanche Kelley's mother, and Dora Nelson's mother. She had 5 children but only raised one, Oscar. One was a pair of twins, a single birth, then Willie, died in Thatcher at age 8 or 9. Had 2 boys when they moved to Thatcher. Oscar was her only child that grew up. Md Nancy Lemmons and had 5 girls, Nancy died, then married a Cutler who had 1 child when she was 47 years old. Ida-Rose's mother used to play with the daughters of Oscar [?] 4th polygamous wife [5th wife] was Aunt Louisa went to Oregon in 1902. Her family was all grown. Raised 3 boys and 1 girl. Hans sealed her to his dead brother. Her boy Fred is Abe Chlarson's father. Abe lives in Utah, close to Corrinne, "quite a church man." One of Abe's boys teaches at Annapolis. HN had separate homes for each of his wives. But he lived most of the time with Annie. Why was that? Wouldn't know. HN had a sawmill and lumber yard. Lumbar yard was at foot of mountain, 5 miles from town. Annie was youngest of the wives, but in line 4th wife, but virtually 3rd wife because of "no good" wife. Hans Nadrian died Nov 10 1910. Born 1834. After manifesto he couldn't live with the other wives. Hans married "Aunt Annie" when she was 16 or 17 -- she was 2 years younger than Albert's mother. He married all wives but Albert's mother in Salt Lake. He married Albert's mother in Granite. Most of kids born SLC. Ida-Rose didn't know about these 5 wives until she started working on Chlarson line. When we were kids the wives were a family secret -- marshalls were out, even came to Arizona to "try to round 'em up." Albert's mother born 1850, Aunt Annie in 1852 was 18 years younger than Hans N. His mother was 16 years younger than HN. [Contributors to new FamilySearch give birth of Johanna Christine Bjorkman as 22 Oct 1850, Sweden, no death date known. Sons are Herman Lorenzo Chlarson 1883-1945, C. Frank Chlarson 1884-1965, and Albert Chlarson b. 29 Oct 1886 Granite, Salt Lake, Utah; died 29 July 1974. Albert md Lucy Janet Winsor (1887-1981)in 1913] [Sherlene's old PAF file gives two sons to Hans & Johanne Christine Bjorkman: Frank, b. 26 Dec 1884, and Albert, b. 29 Oct 1886.] When Hans "died he was an old, old, man. Long, grey whiskers, stooped over, age 76, 4 years younger than I am now. Thus Albert is 80 at time of this interview, which confirms interview date as 1966. Albert has a photo of Hans Nadrian. He survived prostate cancer. Recording is interrupted from 26 min to 29 min, when we hear Ida-Rose talking to Tracy. Albert Worked at the Buckey Mine in Globe age 19. Talks about marriage, but doesn't ever name his wife. Also work in the Grand Reef mine. * 14_1966-06_s02_Albert Chlarson_son_of_Hans_Nadrian_Chlarson_intrvwd_by_Ida-Rose_L_Hall_Phoenix_31min.mp3 Side B label reads: "first little bit of A int of Hy, [sic] John, Charlotte Chlarson" Al worked in the mines on the Ararapa, as a blacksmith, for 50 years. He learned blacksmithing in Thatcher with Uncle Lars and his brother-in-law Orrin Wright. Paid $4.60 a week. After 1 year got $6/week, then $9 week for another employer. He got $3/day at the mine, then after 1 year $4/day. He ran "fire of my own" at the mine. Worked last 26 years for power company in Salt River Project as blacksmith at Cross-Cut machine shop and retired from there. His wife speaks of how she settled him down. He never held priesthood until he was the father of 3 children. Sealed to wife 7 May 1931. [Agrees with new FamilySearch: yes, this is Albert! Albert was baptized & confirmed member in Thatcher, and graduated from Primary. Was going to be ordained a deacon with 5 other boys. The teacher was angry with them for building a fire on the ditch bank just before their scheduled ordinantion. Kicked the fire out. Martenson was his name, came to AZ with his father. So the boys told him to go right to the "hot spot" and none of them were ordained. As adult was ordained teacher, tried farming in Bryson. Bishop George Peck, called him to assistant superintendent of Sunday School. He was 35. "I don't even hold the Priesthood." Didn't use tobacco or coffee or liquor, "you're practically an elder right now." Went to Union meeting and was ordained an elder. He had never even prayed. He's been active in Church ever since. He didn't know his father very well. Left home when he was 18. Never saw him more than once or twice after that, and was in California when his father Hans Nadrian died. He was 62 years older than Albert. H N lived with Annie all the time. Johanna lived in same town as HN and Annie. They lived 3-4-5 blocks from Annie. HN had Aunt Louise sealed to his brother. Hildegard took care of Aunt Cecilia. Lars died when his wife & children died. Lars moved to Honeyville Utah more than 50 years ago, after his children were grown. Albert stayed with a Webster Family in Central a year when he was 10-11.1 Hans' boys Roy was 68 years old last January. Hyrum died 14 years ago, 18 May 1952. Yes, that makes the date 1966. Tells story of probable adoption of Hans Nadrian -- his "mother" on her death bed refused to answer "who was my real mother." Ida-Rose says he appears in the records in the family of Nils Claussen as if he were a natural child. Hans had written, in his own handwriting, Ruht, and his mother's name. He listed his natural father as Danish. The family theory is that they bribed the parish priest to enter him in the register as natural born to his adopted family. Hans Nadrian and one brother, who died in Sweden, were the only who joined the Church. * 15_1966-06_s03_Albert Chlarson_son_of_Hans_Nadrian_Chlarson_intrvwd_by_Ida-Rose_L_Hall_Phoenix_33min.mp3 Side 3. 90-min Cassette. Cassette label reads, side A, in Ida-Rose's handwriting: "#9 2/3 Side A - Int. with Albert Chlarson Phoenix, 1966" Side B label reads: "Side B - Blank" [in pencil] note: I couldn't get anything on either side Nov 4 1995 IRH" [hthjr: No, the 2/3 of side A is still OK] Peter, older brother of HN, is buried in family plot in Salt Lake City. HN had another brother who joined church in Sweden and died there and is sealed to "aunt Louisa." That was his favorite brother and had requested it when he was died: seal me a wife and raise me a family. He wasn't married. Albert forgets his name. Peter came to America after HN. Aunt Louisa is buried in family plot in Salt Lake City, also. Two cemeteries in SLC, one up on hill, one by University of Utah. The family plot is probably in the oldest cemetery in SLC. Aunt Louisa saw his grave and said, "Peder, what are you doing here?" Two nieces of HN, Hilda, _____, never met them. Both married Philander [?] Butler. Albert calls his wife Lucy "Lu." HN had a brewery and an amusement park, also a photography business. Learned dentistry in Germany. Ruth [sp?][alleged birth father] finances his schooling in German. HN built houses in Thatcher. But he was a small child and didn't pay a lot of attention. [It sounds as if Ida-Rose fast-forwarded the reel tape here -- we're missing that portion.] Discussions of temple work done by HN. He did work for his dead, Mortensens, and his wive's dead. Olga sent them this info. Zina Charlotte Chlarson did work on Scherlin line. So Johanna's mother is now sealed to her proper husband "that line is straightened out." "Somehow that went through and they sealed her to the right man." Uncle Lars: oldest son of Cecilia: Cecilia knew Albert's mother in Sweden. Ida-Rose brought her mother to Thatcher on genealogy. Trip 2-3 years ago. Met Flora. Albert's sister Hilda has been dead for years. Albert's mother was Johanna Christina. Ida-Rose said HN returned to Sweden to try to prove he was a son of "Ruth." This was after he met reverses in Salt Lake. And he'd been informed that a legacy had been left to him. But the legacy had reverted to the kingdom [of Sweden] already. Nothing he could do about it. Discussion of wife's grandfather failing to claim legacy left by queen to 5th generation. Lars said HN had just let the legacy go too long -- because of his pride, wasn't going to bother with it. Same way with his army discharge. He was denied his army pension for same reasons. Zina Charlotte has a letter of great interest from Sweden. Ida-Rose has a photocopy of it. Ida-Rose will be here a week. Ida-Rose has three children on a mission; oldest will be back in October. Ida-Rose asked to make a copy of a picture of his mother. I've got several pictures of "them old Swedes over there" and they never did tell me who they were. Johanna Christina Bjerken joined Church in Sweden, and was disowned by family and friends. Met and married HN in plural wife. Was the 5th and last wife, but was 2 years older than Annie. HN had not known her family before. Johanna had married HN in Sweden. "I don't know a great deal about it." My mother lived with him during her last 2 years, died 83 years old. She didn't remember much family history. She died 1932, December 7 at Albert's home in Tempe. She's buried in Thatcher with the rest of the wives of HN, all in one lot. Only Aunt Louisa is buried in SLC. Louisa lived in Elgin Oregon, near LeGrand, north of Baker. Sawmill country. Uncle Fred died in LeGrand Oregon. All of Louisa's children moved to Oregon. Zundell, former bishop in Thatcher, led exodus to Oregon, hired Louisa's three sons Fred, John, Herman [?] to move all his stuff to Oregon. John died in Portland in 1956. Hy and aunt Ella went there in 1953 or 54 [to visit?] but couldn't find any Chlarsons in phone book. In 1957 he went to Oregon. Albert goes by Al. From 30:42 to 32:42 on side A is a recording of Ida-Rose teaching a Sunday School class of probably 14-16 years old, telling story of death of James. "The Lord never guarantees that we will not have persecution. Left it on the digital copy for interest. Side B of this cassette is empty. = = = * 16_1967-11-23_s1_Ernest_F_Langford_and_Howard_Hall_intrvwd_by_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_Provo_Utah_36min.mp3 = = = * 17_1977-08-07_s01_Ida-Rose Langford Hall_oral_history_interviewed_by_daus_Charlotte_&_Sherlene_30min.mp3 * 18_1977-08-07_s02_Ida-Rose Langford Hall_oral_history_interviewed_by_daus_Charlotte_&_Sherlene_30min.mp3 * 19_1977-08-07_s03_Ida-Rose Langford Hall_oral_history_interviewed_by_daus_Charlotte_&_Sherlene_31min.mp3 * 20_1977-08-07_s04_Ida-Rose Langford Hall_oral_history_interviewed_by_daus_Charlotte_&_Sherlene_31min.mp3 * 21_1977-08-07_s05_Ida-Rose Langford Hall_oral_history_interviewed_by_daus_Charlotte_&_Sherlene_31min.mp3 * 22_1977-08-07_s06_Ida-Rose Langford Hall_oral_history_interviewed_by_daus_Charlotte_&_Sherlene_31min.mp3 * 22_1977-08-07_s06_Ida-Rose Langford Hall_oral_history_interviewed_by_daus_Charlotte_&_Sherlene_31min.mp3 * 23_1977-08-07_s07_Ida-Rose Langford Hall_oral_history_interviewed_by_daus_Charlotte_&_Sherlene_29min.mp3 * 24_1977-08-07_s08_Ida-Rose Langford Hall_oral_history_interviewed_by_daus_Charlotte_&_Sherlene_31min.mp3 * 25_1977-08-07_s09_Ida-Rose Langford Hall_oral_history_interviewed_by_daus_Charlotte_&_Sherlene_31min.mp3 * 26_1977-08-07_s10_Ida-Rose Langford Hall_oral_history_interviewed_by_daus_Charlotte_&_Sherlene_15min.mp3 These are five cassette tapes, 30 minutes on a side, except the last side, 10, about 15 minutes. Two sets exist, and I don't know if either is the original. Charlotte remembers taking them to BYU to be duplicated. Perhaps the master exists somewhere else. Label: “Ida-Rose L. Hall Oral History 8/7/77.” Sides 1 & 2, 3 & 4, 5 & 6, 7 & 8, 9 & 10. Cassette tapes were introduced in the early 1970's, so this interview was probably recorded directly to cassette. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_audio_cassette#Introduction_of_music_cassettes Digitized using Audacity on a Laptop under Windows XP, March 2008 by H. Tracy Hall, Jr., son of Ida-Rose. Most were re-digitized in April because the native Audacity *.aup files became corrupted. = = = * 27_1981-10-18_s1_H_Tracy_Hall_Ida-Rose_Langford_mission_frwl_Pleasant_View_Ward_Provo_Utah_30min.mp3 * 28_1981-10-18_s2_H_Tracy_Hall_Ida-Rose_Langford_mission_frwl_Pleasant_View_Ward_Provo_Utah_20min.mp3 Two sides, about 30 minutes each. Label in neat permanent marker printing, probably that of Tracy Sr: “TRACY & IDA-ROSE HALL MISSION FAREWELL PLEASANT VIEW 1st WARD 18 OCT 1981 BOTH SIDES” I believe that I, Tracy Jr., ran the tape recorder for my father, as my voice seems to be pretty loud during the hymns, as are the voices of my children. = = = * 29_1988-03-19_s1_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall,Irma_L_Wilcox,Iola_L_Spencer_gabfest_w_H_Tracy_Hall_Sr_47min.mp3 Some good remembrances of Mom's birth place "Burch creek" and their early homes, childhood, the Christmas that mother Zina Charlotte Chlarson spent in Arizon because she was mad at their father. * 30_1988-03-19_s2_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall,Irma_L_Wilcox,Iola_L_Spencer_gabfest_w_H_Tracy_Hall_Sr_45min.mp3 Warning: they get talking about politics! [2 min of tape from 15:54 to 17:48 inaudible, deleted] = = = * 31_1990-01-21_s1_Hyrum_Chlarson_intrvwed_by_Ida-Rose_L_Hall_&_H_Tracy_Hall_Mesa_Arizona_24min_32kbps.mp3 No label on cassette proper, which is a onlly a 46-minute tape, 23 minutes each side. Label on jewel box reads, in, I believe, later-in-life handwriting of Ida-Rose: "Reel 1 [ in pencil] Interview Hyurum [in pen] Chlarson Jan 21-22, 1990 [I believe side 3 was taken Jan 22, but all I named all three files Jan 21] Mesa, AZ IR + HTH Reel 1 -not too much info" [in pencil] [hthjr: This is Hyrum "F" Norton Chlarson, 6th child of Heber Otto Chlarson & Ida Isabelle Norton, b. 28 Mar 1902 Oaxaca, Sonora, Mexico and a younger brother of Ida-Rose's mother Zina charlotte Chlarson. new FamilySearch says Hyrum died Feb 1991. His wife Elizabeth Wilhelmina Shaw died 16 Jun 1974 in Mesa, married her 20 Feb 1942. Hyrum is 88 (if 1990) or 87 (if 1989) and sounds very elderly.] HTH Sr voice: Sunday, Jan 21, 1989 [hth: this disagrees with date on jewel box. I believe this voice is on the original reel-to-reel tape. But HTHSr made an error common early in a new year. The calendar confirms that Sunday Jan 21 was in 1990; in 1989 the Sundays were 1,8,15,22,29] Address here: 415 55th Place, Mesa IRLH: when Tracy was bishop had a counselor descended from Hyrum Fletcher Norton's sister. How many were there? Nine. Charlotte was oldest. Hyrum met his wife in 1942 in the Army, WWII. Her name was Elizabeth Shaw, Nashville, Tennessee. She was a widow, with grown children. Her first husband was Lannie Parker. 11:30 HTH: we found house in Sweden of Johanna Charlotte Scherlin where [Hans Nadrian Chlarson] knocked on the door and she joined the Church. 13: Hyrum bought his house in 1966. 14: Another male voice, younger, his caregiver. 16:50 Family once had a hundred acres in Mesa area. 18: discussion of his care giver. Says he gets along really well with him. Pays him $20/day. 18:50 Jim moved in with her father [Ernest F. Langford] to care for him while Ida-Rose and Tracy were on their mission. 19:28 refers to his current work in Mesa temple as a witness during sealings. Elizabeth is sealed to him. Also his other wife sealed to him. 21: IRLH: where is the copper company located that you were working for. 21:19 Mom envied her sisters because they were born in Hurley New Mexico. Shen she asked her mother where she was born, she said, "you were born in the weeds." He has a wheelchair but can get by with a crutch. Speaking of going to Church later. 24: he grows oranges, grapefruiet, lemons in his yard. * 32_1990-01-21_s2_Hyrum_Chlarson_intrvwed_by_Ida-Rose_L_Hall_&_H_Tracy_Hall_Mesa_Arizona_24min_32kbps.mp3 SIDE B: They're getting ready to eat. Eight biscuits. 1 min: Hyrum says blessing on food. Biscuits & chicken, [probably Kentucky Fried Chicken] 3 min: Ida-Rose says she dreaded getting married because she would have to kill, clean, and pluck a chicken. Didn't know that chicken could be bought all ready to cook. 5 min: How many brothers were in WWI: none. Hyrum: I was the only one in WWII. 6:45 IRLH refers to Tracy Sr's Naval training, twice, as enlisted man and as officer. "Nearly killed him." 7:20 Hyrum: Trace looks like owner of Phoenix Cardinals, exactly. 7:50 Tracy Sr. People don't say who I look like, but they say who I speak like. 8:40 HTH: A lot of people say I speak like Jimmy Stewart. 9:17 HTH said he retired because he was tired of teaching the kids. 9:40 IRLH refers to HTH Jr going to Berkeley: they held their class in a beer hall. [hthalljr: I think she's referring to frequent use of alcohol on campus?] 10:30 HTH: Uncle Hy some of your relatives got up into Idaho. Did you ever get there? No. Did go to Yellowstone. 11:14 Caregiver: last summer temperatures got to 115-116. Broke records. 12:50 London Bridge was moved to Lake Havasu. They might visit it on their way home. 15:20 Q about travel from Provo to Mesa. IRLH: we went first to Las Vegas. HTH: about 700 miles. When he was younger he would have driven it all in one day. Now he only drives about 6 hours a day. 16:25 Where's my father buried? IRLH: Grandfather & Grandmother Chlarsen are buried at Altorest (Chapel of Flowers) 17:24 Hyrum: Harvey Langford could holler louder than anyone. IRLH: that's where I get my loud voice. 18 min: discussion of someone's injury. 19:15 Fount is Ria Pulsipher's father, lived in Nevada, Overton. 19:50 Hyrum: what was your mother's name? charlotte. [hth: obvious poor short-term memory] 20: IRLH names siblings, places and order of birth. 21: IRLH my father and his brother Alvie had just harvested wheat in Mexico before being driven out. They made 3-4 trips back to retrieve their wheat. Some who went back were caught by the revolutionaries. 21:40 IRLH wanted to take parents back to Mexico. Crossed border at Douglas. Paved road 1-2 miles. After that high-centered dirt road. We dragged center all the way to Morele, where Police said they would never make it to Oaxaca. 22:50 Hyrum speaks of fishing trip to Oaxaca, [year hard to make out] Your Dad's house in Oaxaca is still standing. 23:50 IRLH Old ward house all boarded up. Mexicans living in the brick houses built by Mormons, but windows all broken out. 24:00 End of side B. * 33_1990-01-21_s3_Hyrum_Chlarson_intrvwed_by_Ida-Rose_L_Hall_&_H_Tracy_Hall_Mesa_Arizona_30min_32kbps.mp3 Cassette 2: no label on cassette. 90-minute tape. Jewel box label reads, in pen, in hand of HTHSr: "Reel 2 Hyrum Chlarson Ribert Hall HTH Interviews Jan 1990" Back side of jewel box label reads, in pencil, in hand of IRLH: "Reel 2 I stopped this tape where Robert & Tracy Started." [hth: A copy to cassette the interview with Robert Hall may be elsewhere; otherwise we'll have to go back to original reel] SIDE A: IRLH: asks where Hyrum's sisters are buried. 2:11 thinks the headstones are mixed up. Vivian and Vern. Mitch says headstones are in wrong place. Berta may have been buried on top of Vivian. 4:00 Emmabelle is buried up to ____________. Vern was Emmabelle's husband. 5:00 Emabelle married 2nd husband ______ only for time. Had a stormy relationship with him. He yelled at her. 6:00 Discussion of Sherline [hthjr: probably Lovina Sherline, dau of Heber Otto Chlarson and 2nd plural wife Ida Wilson] 7:30 Hyrum: how did your parents get along? IRLH: they had stormy relationship. She'd visit her mother in Arizona until he came after her. 8:00 Her mother lived here in Mesa. She must have had access to some of Dad's money to take bus. She never learned to drive. 8:30 Hyrum: my mother told me Ern and Charlotte didn't get along too good. 9:00 before Mother died Dad could do nothing but complain. After she died he could say nothing but good about her. 9:30 IRLH: I knew my father loved my mother. I don't know that mother married for love. 10:00 Hyrum: story told by his mother: Charlotte cooking for a ranch, went for horse ride, got lost, couldn't find way back, she put reins down, patted horse on neck, said "take me home." Horse took her home. IRLH: Yes, she told me that story. 11:20 IRLH: Charlotte worked for a woman, worked hard & fast, but she kept her busy. Next job she asked for clear job description so when she finished her work fast she could have time to herself. 12:20 IRLH: her mother didn't know he had a temper before she married him. He didn't hit her, didn't yell at her, but said hard things, then would deny them when mother reported what he said to him. 14:26 IRLH: mother said Heber Otto Chlarson was hard on his animals, but Ernest F. took good care of his horses, which impressed Charlotte. 15:00 IRLH: mother said your father was kind to his children. Hyrum: too kind. Never whipped child except with hankerchief. IRLH: my father used a razor strop. 16:00 Hyrum: Grandad [Hans Nadrian Chlarson] would use buggy whip on his father [Heber Otto Chlarsen]. 17:00 IRLH: Hans had terrible temper but they say he finally concquered it. Hyrum: My mother had to do all the chastising. 19:50 Hyrum: story of brother who tried to hide smoking from his mother. 20:30 Hyrum: brother finally quit smoking a few years before his died [Lew?] 21: Hyrum: John smoked a bit. Got diptheria. 27: IRLH: it's 9 pm you'd better get to bed. 28: discussion of Pearl Harbor. IRLH: when the told me about it I said, "Oh, they would never dare." 29: Hyrum was only in service for a year. IRLH: If Tracy had taken a couple of jobs that he had passed up, he might have worked on the atom bomb. HTH: It all turned out fine. Otherwise I might have gone to work for Westinghouse instead of GE. - - - 30:17 HTH in separate time and/or place? Interviewing Robert Hall [Robert Howard Hall, son of Ralph R. Hall & Grace Elvira Pearl Evans]. This interview continues to end of tape, but toward end is terribly distorted with lots of echoes. I think it might even have been played backwards. Side B ends about 1/2 way (45 min) through, and at the end is a good recording. Appears to end at a natural place, as they are discussing leaving for lunch. [Audacity can fix a reversed recording or one played too slowly -- but this Howard Hall family history is a job for another time.] = = = * 36_1991_s1_Vera_Langford_Snell_intrvd_by_niece_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_Bountiful, Utah_47min.mp3 [hthalljr: Vera was the youngest full sister of Ida-Rose's father Ernest F. Langford. She was one of Elder Russel M. Nelson's surgical nurses (open-heart surgery). My estimate of the year comes from side 2 at about 25 minutes, where Vera gives her age as 85. She was born 10 Apr 1906.] The male voice is Vera's nephew, son of Dorothy (?) wife of one of the sons. (Actually referred to as nephew of Vera's older sister Rose Ella "Aunt Ellie." Can't be earlier than 1976 because she talks of a trip she made to Mexico that year. The date Vera reads for the baptism of Rose-Ellen Jackson is wrong: From new FamilySearch membership record it is 1 Apr 1865 -- not 1885. There is a gap in conversation from 7m 36 sec to 8m 53 sec where Ida-Rose checks to make sure the recorder is working. Tells of 40-ft deep flood [in August?] that swept away the town, likened to the Johnstown Flood. Her father burned the brick for the house; it was built on high ground and survived. In '76 it was still inhabited. Both wives (Rose-Ellen and Mary Lydia "Lily") lived in the house. Shows photo of well that Dad James Harvey Langford Jr dug, drank from it, said water was great, discussed location of store. They didn't dare mark graves because the Mexicans would rob them. In Mexico JHL Jr grew walnuts, apples, jalapenos, pecans, pears, pomegranates, Rose-Ellen Jackson had reddish hair. Interview was made in Bountiful, Utah. Vera's daughter Rose Ann Snell Peterson was an artist,studied at U. Utah, water-color. May still be living. Annis, the oldest child, her oldest sister, was single and took care of her grandmother Mary Caroline Turnbaugh Langford when she died. She received an inheritance from her, which she used to support other relatives (incl half brother Orlando?) and put them through school. Mary Caroline had divorced James Harvey Langford Sr., then married and later divorced Isaac Riddle. She died in Provo [20 Aug 1914]. The Langfords never walked -- they ran. In 1976 Mexicans were growing Marijuana on their former farm. After the flood James Harvey Jr made mescal, which he claimed was more pure than tequilla. He ran a still. [hthalljr: Actually, tequilla is considered to be more valuable than mescal]. Jacosey "Cosie" Alldredge [?] married her brother Alva "Alvie." Her daughter was friends with Ida-Rose in Schenectady. She met a woman named Annis, asked where her name came from: Her mother said it was from a very special woman named Annis Jackson [mother of Vera's mother Rose-Ellen and Mary Lydia] The male voice is her nephew. James Jackson, her father, put Aunt "Lily," (Mary Lydia), the oldest, then 15, in charge of her younger siblings after the death of their mother Annis. He had several wives, but none of them apparently helped out. * 37_1991_s2_Vera_Langford_Snell_intrvd_by_niece_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_Bountiful, Utah_38min.mp3 Side 2 Her mother Rose-Ellen died of cancer that started from a basal cell carcinoma on her face. Her illness lasted 5 years. Annis lived with her for many years and cared for her in her final illness. Her first husband Tangren died in 1934 -- no children. He was a womanizer, they lived in Price at the time. Rose-Ellen borrowed $75 from Relief Society for medical treatment;Vera paid the RS back. Rose-Ellen and "Lily" were both on welfare after their husband died (1922). Rose-Ellen died 8 Aug 1935. Her sister Annis had a fiance in Mexico who was killed. Annis had a catering business in Idaho Falls. After James Harvey Jr left Mexico he had a very nice dairy farm that he lost when a man went back on his verbal promise. He also lived in Wellington, near Price, had "great big home." Vera went to school there when she was 10-11, about 1916-17. Then he moved to Meridian, Idaho. He was the only Mormon there with two wives. She was only 6 months different in age than her half-brother "Fount," which confused people when she said they were brother & sister. Through the example of James Harvey Jr many people in Meridian, who were Nazarenes, later joined the Church. He had 80 acres of alkaline land but succeeded in raising crops by adding lots of manure. He and sons worked on the construction of the road to Clear Creek. Made good money, were paid in gold for use of horses, teams, and his sons. They rented 1-2 railroad cars to move to Idaho, but came back from Idaho broke. When he returned to American Fork he bought 10 graves and new coats for his wives. He had a big rented home & farm in American Fork, where he died. There are three plots left. Headstones all raised and put on cement "this spring." Hortense, Annis, James Harvey Jr, Rose-Ellen, Mary Lydia are buried there. Angus is buried AF with his wife. Vera is now 85, deaf in one ear, from a grandson who yelled in that ear for two hours. JH Jr bought a model-T Ford when they were in Meridian, but got tired of cranking it and gave or sold the car to his brother Angus -- he preferred the horses, which were his source of income from freighting, road work, etc. JH Sr came down to Mexico after his divorce, JH Jr built him a house, and he died there. = = = * 38_1992-09-18_s1_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_stories_&_songs_for_'DJ'_Mecham's_7th_birthday_31min.mp3 * 39_1992-09-18_s2_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_stories_&_songs_for_'DJ'_Mecham's_7th_birthday_30min.mp3 60 minute tape. Some faint echo is discernible, probably from imprinting from one layer to the other. Cassette Label: " Stories by Grandma Hall, 1992" The tape is dated to DJ's 7th birthday -- it could have been recorded a few days before. Email from: Nancy Mecham to: elizabethneil@mac.com, Tracy Hall , nathan44@aol.com, Charlotte Weight , "Sherlene H. Bartholomew" , David Hall , date: Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:09 PM subject: Mom hall telling stories on tape mailed-by: comcast.net 9:09 PM (3 hours ago) I just found the tape of Mom telling stories that I’ve been tearing the house up for!!! I didn’t find it in time for the deadline, but I think we’re in luck…. John hasn’t started transferring yet. I was totally wrong about the quality of the tape, it’s incredibly good. Here’s the lineup: Side 1 [hthalljr: actually side B, digitized as s2] “The Gingerbread Man” “Chicken Little” “The Night Before Christmas” “The Story of Peter Rabbit” “Let Papa Sleep” (an early reader book) “Bebe Bear” or Bee Bee Bear? (then she sings “Happy 7th Birthday to DJ” Side 2 [actually side A, digitized as s1] “Epamanondas” “Little Black Sambo” (told from memory – all the books at the library were checked out) “Love you Forever” “The Little Red Hen” (then she finishes the tape by singing “I am a Child of God”) Talk about a real tearjerker! Her voice cracks up (like she’s about to cry) when she gets to the end of the story “I’ll love you Forever” … She had a hard time getting her words out. I took the tape up to Tracy Jr’s place tonight, and he’s going to stay up late and do what he does with it. (digital transfer?). Then in the morning, he’ll deliver it to John (or visa versa) This will be a treasure for us all to enjoy! I’m so glad I found it! Love, Nancy [Tracy Jr: me too! Fortunately John Catron had not begun reproducing the master I delivered yesterday -- just burning the art onto the top side of the disks.] Digitization completed 2008-05-02 3:18 a.m.] = = = * 40_1993-11-21_s1_H_Tracy_Hall_Sr_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_intrvd_by_dau_Sherlene_abt_Mission_31min.mp3 * 41_1993-11-21_s2_H_Tracy_Hall_Sr_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_intrvd_by_dau_Sherlene_abt_Mission_31min.mp3 = = = * 42_1994-11-25_s1_Heber_Otto_Langford_Interviewed_by_his_sister_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_31min.mp3 * 43_1994-11-25_s2_Heber_Otto_Langford_Interviewed_by_his_sister_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_31min.mp3 Two sides of a cassette tape labeled: "I.R. Interview with Heber about 3292 Orchard days." [Tape says Friday Nov 25, which could have been 1994 or 1988. I assumed, but can't remember why, 1994.] = = = * 44_1998_or_earlier_poss_95_89_or_84_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_Relief_Soc_Lesson_38min.mp3 The year can't be later than 1998 because Donna Hill, who is on the tape died in 1998. The other years had Sundays on that date. [hthalljr: neglected to record cassette label, which apparently had a month and day]. = = = * 45_2005-03-12_s1_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_Funeral_Provo_Utah_35min.mp3 Ida-Rose died at her home early Tuesday morning, 2008-03-07. Her funeral was held Saturday, 2008-03-12. She was buried in the Provo City Cemetery, close to the south border, near the east end. The GPS coordinates of her grave are N40.22235 W111.64244, datum WGS84. Her funeral was held in the Pleasant View 1st Ward, East Sharon Stake, in the meeting house at 650 East Stadium, Provo, Utah 84604 Comments at end of viewing, by Bishop Paul Allen. Family Prayer before closing of casket: Douglas Mecham, husband of Ida-Rose's daughter Nancy. Presiding: Bishop Allen Organ: Joan Barnett [her husband Dean was in bishopric of PV 1st ward with Tracy Sr and was on the physics faculty at BYU: he helped with X-Ray press and did several joint papers with Tracy Sr.] Conducting: Joanne Thomas, long-time ward choir director. [hthalljr: I was in her choir in my late teens and after my mission: 1960's] Opening prayer: Dan Bartholomew, husband of Sherlene Hall. Piano solo: Elizabeth Hall Neil, "Meditation," [from Thais, by Jules Massenet, French, 1842-1912] Speaker: Virginia Hall Wood [Virginia repeats a mistake often made by Ida-Rose: her mother's name was Zina Charlotte Chlarson, not Charlotte Zina.] Musical number: grandchildren of Ida-Rose, accompanied by Elizabeth Hall Neil: Hymn [#124] "Be Still my Soul," [Text Katharina von Shlegel, b. 1697; trans. by Jane Borthwick, 1813-1897] * 46_2005-03-12_s2_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_Funeral_Provo_Utah_32min.mp3 Speaker: H. Tracy Hall, Jr. * 47_2005-03-12_s3_Ida-Rose_Langford_Hall_Funeral_Provo_Utah_29min.mp3 Musical number: "Meditation," by Rose-Ellen Wood (flute) and Emily Neil Shaumann (Piano) Speaker, Pres. Reese Hansen, former 2nd counsellor to Bishop Hall (they were set apart 4 July 1976), later his bishop, later his stake president. Closing prayer, Daniel Ray Bartholomew, husband of Sherlene Hall. Dedication of grave by Ida-Rose's son David Richard Hall. Allen, closing hymn, closing prayer by Marty, Dedication of grave by David Richard Hall. = = = *** END OF THIS MP3-CD ***